Sit/Lie Lost In Haight, Won In Pac Heights, Seacliff, West of Twin Peaks

I live a few blocks from Haight & Cole and voted for it.
Not everyone thinks the same.

Sniffy,

You mean when the article mentioned that the vote was "1406 against to 1275 in favor", that those people were not thinking the same? Thanks for clearing up what I always (incorrectly) thought was a very clear concept: that yes and no are the same thing. Now I know that they are not.

Love,

Me

yer so welcome!

I live on Haight, and L got 57.6% of the vote in my precinct.

I'm having trouble following -- were gay people not allowed to sit on the sidewalk?

Gay people LOUNGE on the sidewalk.

1406 to 1275 doesn't really say much. It's a pretty close race, not enough to justifiably say that the Haight strongly voted against it, but you can't deny that it had "traction" in that area. Those numbers speak for themselves.

Also, to the author, calling this measure reminiscent of anti-gay statutes really trivializes the struggles of the queer movement.

The struggle for gay lounging is always dear to our hearts.

I just looked up our adjacent precinct on Haight, and L got a whopping 62% there, the next block 60%, the next 57, 55, 52...

Except for one precinct in Buena Vista, the entire Lower Haight and much of upper Haight, from addresses 0 to 1100+, voted for L in overwhelming numbers. In fact I think you have to go past Masonic to find a minority in favor. I'm a bit confused here, as I don't have time to figure out how the remaining few blocks of Haight tilted the total the other way. But those rich folk in Buena Vista sure voted against it.

The 62% were voting at the $42 million HUD Hayes Valley HOPE VI Housing Development, not exactly Presidio Heights.

KWillets --

Sorry, but those numbers you present simply aren't true.

The below five voting precincts are the Haight Ashbury between Stanyan St and Buena Vista Park.

3534 (Stanyan to Cole between Waller and the Panhandle): 184 for, 227 against
3535 (an Tetris-shaped precinct between Page and Masonic and Haight and the Handle) 170 for, 147 against
3536 146 for, 172 against
3546 138 for, 155 against
3547 111 for, 130 against

In the Lower Haight, it lost even worse:

3539 183 for, 229 against
3541 127 for, 202 against
3542 100 for, 146 against
3543 118 for, 219 against

Sit-lie lost in every Haight precinct save that Tetris piece.

OK I found it -- the N and O columns in the spreadsheet are labelled "Yes" and "No", but they're the reverse. Apparently there are "Not Yes" and "Not No" voting tabulations.

But that means Upper Haight voted for it...crap I have to get back to my day job.

The link to Dede, etc. does not work!

Evidently, a sizeable percentage of the population are fascists.

I threw together some quick and dirty maps using that initial vote statement and SF's free GIS data (http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp). My apologizes for any errors (I am aware a handful of precincts dropped off during my data merge). I will try to clean things up, put it in an easier to read/browse format later in the week when I have free time.

Measure L Yes Percentages by precinct:
http://polkapolka.net/sitlie/sitlie.png

This is a huge file , 3mb, it shows the actual numbers votes by precinct:
http://polkapolka.net/sitlie/sitlienumbers.png

Maybe the takeaway from this breakdown is not that the rich people are trying to stomp down the homeless, but that those who don't live in the Mission, the Haight, or the Tenderloin care about what happens to the City as a whole, instead of just our little hyper-localized parcels of it. I know all politics are local, but there's "local" and then there's "local." If we're going to start caviling about how different areas of the city are voting on measures that might not affect them significantly, then Chris Daly and Bevan Dufty shouldn't be voting on outlawing Happy Meals at the McDonald's on Ocean Avenue.

1406 against to 1275 isn't exactly a pummeling. I live in Lower Haight and gladly voted for Prop L. When the dick-tards started spray painting "No on L" signs on our sidewalks and bus shelters, I decided to contribute money to the "Yes on L" campaign.

You're welcome...

I live in SOMA near 7th & Market. People sleep outside my building most every night, and about once a week I'm woken by a drunken fight outside my window at 3am.
My boyfriend and I talked a lot about sit/lie. We were always clear we'd vote against it. We'd sure like a quieter street without random bedding and occasional poop on the sidewalks. But interacting with local homeless folks every day, it's clear that a mean-spirited law is just a way of trying to paper over a very complicated problem, and would result only in making the lives of people who are really struggling even more of a struggle.
Thanks for this article, Chris. I really appreciate this breakdown. It's been clear all along that sit/lie was at its core a cynical attempt to sow disunity within progressives and bring voters to the polls to vote for more conservative candidates. Looks like that worked in the Castro, at least, with Wiener getting elected.
Finally, I am queer, and in response to earlier comments, I think sit/lie shares a lineage with anti-gay laws. I think we've all heard someone say "I don't care what they do, I just don't want to be exposed to it." Enough said.

In my experience, no one has ever gotten better by sleeping on a sidewalk.

In my experience, no one has ever gotten better by being cited for sleeping on a sidewalk.

Opposing random bedding and poop on the sidewalk isn't cynical. In San Francisco, sleeping and pooping outside is not at all a necessity. It's a preference for people differently saned or in altered states. It's okay for a community to set standards and ask them to be met. I don't believe gay civil rights is at all comparable: instead consider how it's okay to restrict smoking in commercial districts. Noxious behavior is noxious behavior, impeding my equal right to enjoy public spaces...

Wait, what's wrong with not caring what gay people do? I don't care what you do. I don't care what you do so much that I think you should be able to get married.

I'm straight, do you care what I do?